tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post7399836482491821133..comments2024-03-21T21:30:02.460-07:00Comments on GULF COAST PASTOR: Dr. Robert Wring on Baptists and Elder RuleDavid R. Brumbelowhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08926980202240271362noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-54508775259843100312012-05-13T12:22:57.002-07:002012-05-13T12:22:57.002-07:00Scott Parkison,
Thanks. Have a great day.
David R...Scott Parkison,<br />Thanks. Have a great day.<br />David R. BrumbelowDavid R. Brumbelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926980202240271362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-92188117719392786152012-05-13T05:51:21.851-07:002012-05-13T05:51:21.851-07:00Good point, David. You are correct that the post i...Good point, David. You are correct that the post i complimented used no Scripture. Thanks for your response. <br /><br />Blessings.scott parkisonhttp://www.tbcmanchester.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-10906391314008275852012-05-12T12:38:26.927-07:002012-05-12T12:38:26.927-07:00Scott Parkinson,
When you fairly investigate histo...Scott Parkinson,<br />When you fairly investigate historic Baptist beliefs, you will usually find strong Scriptural support for them. That does not mean a long list of Bible verses will be given at every quote. <br /><br />The first quote in the article on Elders is from the Baptist Faith & Message 2000. Each section of that statement concludes with a rather long list of Scripture references. I did not include them for space considerations, but I imagine you are well aware of them. They can easily be looked up in a complete copy of the Baptist Faith & Message 2000.<br /><br />I chose a few quotes on Elder Rule from a rather lengthy article by Dr. Wring. He discusses numerous Scriptures in his article. You are welcome to look it up as well. <br /><br />You apparently came to this article from another blog that has an article favorable to Elder Rule, that you compliment. Yet it does not use Scripture at all. Strangely, you find that argument compelling and apparently have no problem with his lack of Scripture. <br /><br />In short, your’s is a weak, unfair argument. <br />David R. BrumbelowDavid R. Brumbelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926980202240271362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-53895859413157802912012-05-10T14:07:50.968-07:002012-05-10T14:07:50.968-07:00With the exception of one...NO Scripture is used i...With the exception of one...NO Scripture is used in any of the quotes above. Not very convincing or compelling if all a person can do to negate a plurality of elders is to appeal to historic baptist beliefs. From what I have read, people who advocate the plurality of elders use a lot of Scripture. People who advocate AGAINST the plurality of elders use very little...like in this post.scott parkisonhttp://www.tbcmanchester.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-66779910862122325272012-03-11T19:38:14.089-07:002012-03-11T19:38:14.089-07:00David,
There are a number of SBC churches which pr...David,<br />There are a number of SBC churches which practice plurality of elders but not elder rule as your article describes it. They hold to plural eldership but congregational governance. Mark Dever and Phil Newton come to mind as two men who have published material along these lines.<br /><br />Blessings,<br /><br />Kelly R. RandolphKelly Randolphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16265596422525187088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-35753901961666596632012-03-05T08:17:20.812-08:002012-03-05T08:17:20.812-08:00Bruce,
Thanks, you give some very good quotes.
D...Bruce,<br />Thanks, you give some very good quotes. <br />David R. BrumbelowDavid R. Brumbelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926980202240271362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-38820164861053145092012-03-04T14:53:14.395-08:002012-03-04T14:53:14.395-08:00David, there is an article of my own on my blog sp...David, there is an article of my own on my blog spot about this subject. It gives quotes proving the fact that many scholars agree the New Testament teaches that church elders are always pastors, as opposed to the idea that some elders are pastors and some are ruling elders. Here is a link to it:<br />http://biblicalfoodforthought.blogspot.com/2011/06/scholarly-agreement-about-church-elders.htmlBruce K. Oyenhttp://biblicalfoodforthought.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-83088694615688095062012-03-04T14:15:30.002-08:002012-03-04T14:15:30.002-08:00Bruce,
Yes, you're welcome to post a link. Tr...Bruce,<br />Yes, you're welcome to post a link. Tried to send you a reply but it didn't go through.<br />David R. BrumbelowDavid R. Brumbelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926980202240271362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-51510419730269302012-03-04T13:19:33.016-08:002012-03-04T13:19:33.016-08:00Bruce,
Thanks.
R. L. Vaughn,
You've made some...Bruce,<br />Thanks.<br /><br />R. L. Vaughn,<br />You've made some very good points. <br />David R. BrumbelowDavid R. Brumbelowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08926980202240271362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-39479188248404109422012-03-03T16:34:48.101-08:002012-03-03T16:34:48.101-08:00Thanks for the post, and for linking to the entire...Thanks for the post, and for linking to the entire article at <i>The Biblical Evangelist</i>. I look forward to the finding time to read it. <br /><br />Since pastors are elders and are supposed to be leaders in the church, there is a form of elder leadership in the church. But the idea of ruling elders is borrowed from Presbyterianism, and is incompatible with Baptist church polity. I think it is more popular among Calvinistic Baptists because a lot of them look to old Presbyterian writers to study soteriology (not that they don't look other places), and while there pick up other ideas as well -- such as ruling elders. <br /><br />As someone who believes the New Testament churches had "plurality of elders", I find this trend particularly troubling. I find it troubling because too many folks think when we talk of "plurality of elders" that we're talking about "ruling elders". "Ruling elders" have authority over the congregation, but biblical elders are preachers who exercise spiritual authority through the Word of God while the congregation has the final say.<br /><br />The disciplinary example of Matthew 18:15-17 is one of the most devastating scriptures to any polity of a higher authority than the local congregation. "And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. (v. 17)" Once the appeal has gone to the church -- the church, not the elders -- then the process is completed. There is no higher court of appeal.R. L. Vaughnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10992710377193518029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4168338580325083648.post-71408279363703540792012-03-01T13:14:35.149-08:002012-03-01T13:14:35.149-08:00This was very good, David. Thanks for posting it.This was very good, David. Thanks for posting it.Bruce Oyenhttp://biblicalfoodforthought.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com